A question posed to Fr. John of The White Christ
I have been looking for a conservative church in Chicago for some time, but any searches I do only result in revealing bastions of liberalism ….. I am a confirmed Catholic who attended Holy Name Cathedral for a while shortly after moving to Chicago, but found the (for lack of a better word) fagginess of some of the officials quite offensive (a person might be homosexual, but they don’t just get faggy).
Do you have any advice on looking for a church that hasn’t been destroyed by liberalism?
And his repsonse:
My dear poor suffering brother:
The Roman communion is dead. I can say it no simpler, I can cry no deeper. Everything that the Reformers noted of it, is true. It took me until late middle age to realize that fact, and even then, I was loathe to take it to heart. If there is an Orthodox Church in Chicago (and there are many), I would say, go there. All of the Orthodox churches in the SCOBA fraternity are infected with liberalism, but at least they allow/encourage married priests. Only our Bishops are to be celibate…. and even that is a question that needs addressing, imho- not because monastics should not be celibate, but because it is still a place for sodomites to hide.
Of the Orthodox jurisdictions, the OCA is the most liberal- but there are parishes that are alive. The GOA is full of… well, Greeks. And if you are Celtic, Anglo, etc. unless the parish uses English in its liturgy, it will ‘all seem like Greek to you!”
The Antiochians have the best liturgical forms, for they have not (as of my recollection) gotten rid of the ‘Thee/Thou’ language bequeathed to them by Patriarch St. Tikhon. But some parishes are all ‘converts (read, Anglos) and some are still all Ay-rabs. Shun the latter, and join the former. They even allow for some Western Rite parishes- those could be even a better fit.
Failing that, the myriad ‘Continuing Anglican’ jurisdictions are your best bet.
Please let me know what you discover. It will take you months to find a home, but, if you pray seriously firt, God may direct you ‘home’ quicker than our journey.
You are in my prayers.
An email to Ann Barnhardt on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 A.D.:
In my opinion, this is just a dirty stab by Obama to get his way with Obamacare.
Catholic hospitals, universities, and other institutions will have no choice but to stop providing health insurance if they are to act within the teachings of the church. So, now you have potentially hundreds of thousands of individuals pushed out into the open market for healthcare with only the amount of cash that the employer used previously to purchase healthcare for them. That is not nearly enough they are going to find out and they are going freak when they see what they will have to pay for a similar plan, or freak at the size of the deductible they will have to accept to have a plan for that same price. What are they going to do? ….. Obamacare. Thank you Chairman Obama of the People’s Republic of America.
I plan to write on this later.
From Ann Barnhardt: Ab homine iniquo, et doloso erue me. Part 1
Posted by Ann Barnhardt – February 1, AD 2012 9:43 PM MST
“Deliver me from the unjust and deceitful man.”
It’s time to make the BIG post about the Marxist infiltration of the Catholic bishopric and how this all relates to the Obama regime’s full-on declaration of war against the Catholic Church. Most people out there simply do not understand what is going on, but it is time to shine as much light as possible on the whole, sickening mess, because you can not navigate what you do not see and understand.
As I have stated many times before, the Catholic clergy has been massively infiltrated by Marxists over the last century. A specific tactical corollary to this fact was the recruitment of homosexuals into the clergy. We will leave the homosexualist dynamic there, but I just want to reiterate the point that the homosexual infection was a specific calculation of the Marxist cabal – not the other way around. The political system is the head and homosexual-ephebophilic-pedophilic culture is merely a tentacle emanating from that head designed to feed the beaked maw of the Marxist head.
Some of the bishops in the U.S. are today issuing mostly impotent, flaccid statements regarding the Obama regime’s declaration of war against the Catholic Church. The bishops are “boldly” calling for Catholics to “call, fax or email your congressional representatives” so that we may “lobby for change” and thus not be “forced to violate our consciences”.
Wow. I stand in awestruck wonder at the strong, masculine leadership on display. It’s like watching a battle scene in “300” . . . except in this version the Spartans are all 98 pound weaklings who are all crying like little girls and can’t even pick up their own swords without spraining their wrists. “But, but, but, if those meanies don’t stop, we, we, we’re gonna WRITE A LETTER!” Oh, and in this version, the Spartans have been in an alliance with the Persians for the last 50 years and JUST CAN’T UNDERSTAND why the Persians are now attacking them. Yeah, it’s like THAT VERSION of “300”.
As with most things, this all revolves around the love of money. The Catholic bishops have been de facto Marxist agitators for the last half-century. Why? Because the idea was planted in the hierarchy decades ago by the first Marxist infiltrators that if the Church embraced Marxist Socialism, the Church could then lay off upon the STATE all of the costs associated with caring for the poor and the sick. Since the faith of the bishops, priests and nuns has been massively eroded over the last fifty years via recruitment of the faithless into the seminaries, heretical Marxist education and formation in seminaries and Catholic universities, and most especially by the gutting, flaying and profaning of the Mass itself, it doesn’t even register with most of these people that the Church NOT caring for the poor and the sick is a problem. In fact, they celebrate the fact that the Church now no longer spends significant amounts of money on these things, but instead sit upon massive “endowments” that read like the prospectus for a mutual fund rather than the charitable activity summary of the Bride of Christ.
What the bishops, priests and nuns in the United States have done over the past fifty years is to specifically and consciously ally themselves with Marxist statists in the government. They formed this alliance in order to bring about a system whereby the government could take over all of the charitable services that the Church should be providing, and which Christ specifically commanded the Church – not the state – to undertake, most notably caring for the elderly, the poor and the sick. The care of the poor was laid off on the government under the guise of “Welfare”. The care of the elderly was laid off on the government under the guise of “Social Security”. The care of the sick was laid off on the government under the guise of “Medicare”, “Medicaid” and finally, the coup de grace, “ObamaCare”. The Church would continue to provide healthcare, but instead of tapping the Church’s own coffers when an indigent patient needed care, the Church would simply bill the Federal Government.
Once the welfare-medicare state was established, the Church would then have all of the money collected from voluntary tithing freed up to spend on other things – like bond portfolios and getting rid of all of the beautiful, liturgically excellent churches and replacing them with horrifically ugly new church buildings that concealed and denied the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, and that had resale value to Protestants and musloids by being easy to convert into super-fun rockband church meeting spaces or mosques. Look at the architecture of new-construction Catholic churches and you will be looking upon the physical manifestation of the conscious expectation of failure. You think I’m kidding? I’m as serious as pancreatic cancer. While many of you out there do not understand this, and may never understand this, the primary goal of the Enemy is NOT the economic collapse of the United States. That is just a bonus side-effect. The ultimate goal is the suppression of the Mass and the concealment of the Eucharist.
What the creation of these government programs accomplished, in essence, was to shift the dynamic of tithing from the proper VOLUNTARY system, with the Church’s potential tithing pool limited to Roman Catholics, to a government-coerced back-door tithe with the Internal Revenue Service as the enforcer, with the “tithe pool” comprised of every earner in the country. This is why the Church has, over the last century, heavily aligned itself with the democrat party – because until a couple of decades ago, the majority of the Marxist-statist programs were coming straight out of the democrat party with trifling resistance being put up by the republican party. Think FDR with the New Deal and Social Security, LBJ with the Great Society, and now Obama and ObamaCare. This is also why the Church has happily gone along with the 501(c)(3) exemption, which has put a silent gun to the head of ANY orthodox Catholic priest with a brain, spine and set of testicles and kept them from speaking out against the satanic agenda of the Marxist-statist elements in the government. Meanwhile, any and all pro-Marxist political speech from not just Catholic pulpits but ANY pulpit across America has been cheerfully supported. See Fr. Michael Fleger in Chicago, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all of the other Marxist hustlers who dare wear the collar.
Ann, I want to thank you many times over for confirming that my mind and eyes do not deceive me as some would like for me to believe.
Fr. John, thank you for providing counsel to this disoriented traveler.
Readers, if you have made it this far, please continue to Ann’s site to continue reading her treatise, Ab homine iniquo, et doloso erue me. Parts 2 and 3.
I also recommend reading her posts titled “The Entire Sad Contraception Issue Explained”.